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Razib Khan's avatar

i think to some extent we can evaluate a field independent of is immediate utility. a society, a human culture, that is wealthy but does not fund or cultivate any advanced mathematics seems to me to be missing something. this isn't universal; the greeks thought pure mathematics was a deep metaphysical enterprise, while it had a much lower status in china.

but what about various cultural studies which are very new? i think unlike mathematics or history or philosophy these disciplines haven't really proven themselves as edifying nor are their methodologies really validated.

i guess i would just say it depends on the field, and we know domains worthy of knowing when we see them (speaking as someone who has been asked my whole like "why would anyone want to know that!")

Jeff Fossett's avatar

Nice piece! Some open-ended Qs/thoughts in case they are useful:

* Seems like there's some elision here between "information" and "knowledge". Are those the same things?

* Seems like there's a separate set of concerns when it comes to value of basic research in STEM (like Tao) vs. in the humanities etc (tho agree they also have some commonalities). Like when it comes to basic research in STEM, we know from economic theory that private incentives will systematically underinvest in basic research and general purpose technology development, since the benefits of these things are definitionally not internalized by the private developer. So even if you only care about economic notions of welfare, seems like there's a clear case for public funding of basic research. Further, it seems like there are plenty of cases historically where (STEM) research that had "no practical applications" at the time when it was developed, but then later turned out to be highly valuable for some future application (you allude to some of these)

* You mentioned: "To the vast majority, the only “worthy incentives " for pursuing information are curing an awful disease we are afraid may kill us(or our loved ones) or making lots of $$$." However, we also saw huge cultural backlash to covid vaccine, no? Trump admin seems likewise perfectly happy to disrupt highly practical & commercializable scientific research (i.e. not just the less-applied Taos etc). So it seems like rejection of rule by experts might go beyond backlash to the decadence/irrelevance of academic research, no?

* In general, it seems like there's a big question about governance of science & tech behind a lot of this. Who should get to decide (and how / on what basis) which academic questions are worthy of investigation? What should be the role of experts in making those decisions?

* This is an interesting thread i haven't seen explored elsewhere in this way: "production of more information leads to less overall cohesion"

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